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From: William Mills <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 13:46:28 -0700
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I completely understand Omen's viewpoint on software that they own, and
yes I feel that hacking their software and violating their specific
copyright requirements is not a good thing.

I do not think that C. Dold misread their website.  I went through it a
week or more ago and got the same thing from it, "Our software won't
work with Kermit", and actually called to ask whether their software
that they diustribute or sell would work for this.  I was told to call
the 900 number.  I will NOT call a 900 number to find out that I need to
buy one of their packages. That is absurd.  They want to sell it, they
ought to advertise that the capability is there.

Frank, I respect your toe-ing the party line on registering and buying
manuals, and in fact zmodem is good software and I agree that it was a
contribution to the net in general.  It would be way less annoying
though if you said "There's a freely available version that will work,
and you can get it at foo.com/bar/bax.gz, but you really ought to talk
to Omen and get the fixed version."  I want to use YOUR software the way
it USED to work, if you know how to make that happen just tell us, OK?

-bill


Clarence Dold wrote:
>
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
> : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
> : and output, and therefore can be redirected.  The versions that are
>
> Clarence Dold  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : : Frank, I thought that was exactly the point.
> : : The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and
> : : stdout, making it redirectable.
>
> : I can't claim to speak for Chuck.  Anybody who wants to know anything about
> : Zmodem should go to the definitive source.  My personal opinion is that
> : Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and
>

...snip...

> The other is that I misunderstand Chuck's current intentions.
> I prowled his web page last night, after my post.  I didn't see anything
> implying that szrz was available for use on a Unix machine to talk to
> anything other than the PC version of Chuck's products.
> I assume you have better knowledge than I do from reading the public posts
> by you and him, and my apparent misreading of his current web page.
>
> Because I have, and continue, to interpret Chuck's intentions the way I
> do, I don't want to buy current product from him.  Therefore I don't
> use it.  I use the 1988 version.  The source for this seems to have

...snip...